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In response to the review we wrote of Aviv Chomsky’s book They Take Our Jobs we received from a reader named "Chaos" a list of what he claims are myths from the pro-immigrant side of the argument.  Although we don't agree with each of these myths we have addressed the key part of each of them in green below.  In the original the myths are followed by “chaos’s" rebuttal. To improve readability I have put that rebuttal in a link behind each myth.  

Chaos writes:  Advocates for allowing more aliens to immigrate illegally and legally to the USA have a battery of myths, bad arguments and outright lies -- in a word propaganda -- that they use to further their cause.

Myth #1) Aliens do jobs that Americans won't, therefore there is no harm to Americans.

Radical Immigration:  The world economy is very complex.  When people move around they do take each other’s jobs.  Why is this a problem when people come from Mexico and take jobs in California but not when people come from Ohio and take jobs in Florida?  
In classical economic theory and in the reality that we all observe every day wages are lower where there is a labor surplus.  But labor supply is not a static situation.  When wages rise, in order to compete, an employer can move production, automate or even totally redesign the product.  Restricting the flow of goods, capital and labor have long-term bad consequences and yet they remain politically popular.  At Radical Immigration we listen to the economic arguments and then we make the case that responsible people should be able to live where they choose.  The economics will work themselves out.
The economic arguments for and against immigration are not conclusive the moral arguments clearly favors allowing responsible people to live where they choose.

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In response to the review we wrote of Aviv Chomsky’s book They Take Our Jobs we received from a reader named "Chaos" a list of what he claims are myths from the pro-immigrant side of the argument.  Although we don't agree with each of these myths we have addressed the key part of each of them in green below.  In the original the myths are followed by “chaos’s" rebuttal. To improve readability I have put that rebuttal in a link behind each myth.  

Chaos writes:  Advocates for allowing more aliens to immigrate illegally and legally to the USA have a battery of myths, bad arguments and outright lies -- in a word propaganda -- that they use to further their cause.

Myth #1) Aliens do jobs that Americans won't, therefore there is no harm to Americans.

Radical Immigration:  The world economy is very complex.  When people move around they do take each other’s jobs.  Why is this a problem when people come from Mexico and take jobs in California but not when people come from Ohio and take jobs in Florida?  
In classical economic theory and in the reality that we all observe every day wages are lower where there is a labor surplus.  But labor supply is not a static situation.  When wages rise, in order to compete, an employer can move production, automate or even totally redesign the product.  Restricting the flow of goods, capital and labor have long-term bad consequences and yet they remain politically popular.  At Radical Immigration we listen to the economic arguments and then we make the case that responsible people should be able to live where they choose.  The economics will work themselves out.
The economic arguments for and against immigration are not conclusive the moral arguments clearly favors allowing responsible people to live where they choose.

Myth #1) Aliens do jobs that Americans won't, therefore there is no harm to Americans.
Truth) Incorrect for two reasons:

1. This claim wrongly assumes that Americans never desire or even need to do landscaping; restaurant work; any other of a large number of jobs that aliens are taking. It is a bogus assumption.
2. Americans wants jobs but the presence of illegal workers and others in the job market has lowered wages. In some cases aliens have simply locked out Americans and taken over entire categories of work.

Myth #2) Illegal workers are good for the US economy.
Truth) This is very much a lie.

They are good only for the profits of the businesses that hire them. Everyone else suffers, including legal immigrants and even the illegals themselves.

The role illegal aliens play in the labor market is to help business owners reduce costs, increase profits, and drive down wages generally for all US workers, which is bad for the economy.

They also transfer large amounts of wages outside of the USA which is also bad for the economy. In 2004, the amount sent was $30 billion.

Lastly, in the case of retail business, profits suffer when customers become frustrated with people who speak broken English or no English at all.

Myth #3) All aliens work hard in the USA therefore they deserve citizenship via amnesty.
Truth) It's a bogus argument for 2 reasons.

1. In every country there are immigrants who work hard. There is simply no reason why working hard should gain a person citizenship.
2. Not all aliens work hard or do the same quality of work or work at comparable jobs.
Question: If one alien green-card holder is earning his citizenship by working as a soldier in the US military, which shows real commitment, bravery, self-sacrifice and the ability to speak English, why should we put him on the same level as an illegal alien flipping burgers at a McDonalds who refuses to learn English?
Thus, some are hardworking, and some are hardly working.

Myth #4) US workers are just too lazy to take hard jobs.
Truth )False at best, disgustingly racist at worst.

This claim is deliberately used to obscure a terrible predicament: Namely, that as more and more American workers are finding themselves laid off due to downsizing and globalization and the mass importation of foreigners, Americans are having to take any work they can get and those jobs are often low-paying.

Sadly, it is exactly now that more Americans need those low-paying jobs that foreigners are indirectly locking out Americans and/or bringing down wages.

Myth #5) Americans do not even apply for jobs that aliens take.
Truth) Deliberately misleading. Illegal aliens get jobs because they illegally accept lower wages while illegally in the USA. The mere presense of illegal workers causes US businesses to lock out American citizens (whites, blacks, asians, native hispanics, etc.) Unethical employers will always take the cheapest most exploitable worker, and that is often the illegal aliens. If employers could get free labor, they would.

Myth #6) Illegal immigrants work hard and therefore deserve free health care and their children deserve free education and citizenship (upon birth).
Truth) Firstly, the burden of proof is on the illegal immigrant to prove he or she works hard. I have encountered many who do not work hard and who make zero effort to learn English.

Secondly, they're here illegally. Lawbreakers of this type deserve punishment, not perks.

The irony of the free-services issue is that the services in question are paid for primarily by US workers who are the primary ones harmed by illegal immigration. US workers should not be asked to economically assist aliens in harming US workers' prospects.

Myth #7) Illegal aliens are an unseen benefit: working only in the shadows.
Truth) Illegals increase overpopulation, as does their high birth rate, which leads to more poverty and crime. When illegals move in to an area, they do so in large numbers.

Myth #8) If you send the aliens away then the tourism and agriculture industries will collapse.
Truth) False. This claim assumes that there are no similarly desperate workers in the USA, but in truth there are. And that it is ethical and moral to pay workers wages that are below the minimum wage.

Myth #9) I support the free movement of labor across borders. I would like to work in another country without being limited.
Truth) So what? Firstly, your personal desires are that of one person.
Second: Karl Marx, too, argued for open borders and the free movement of labor, although that was an ideological stance without consideration of the consequences, and no communist state has ever implemented it. Why? Because there is no possible way to prevent open borders from leading to massive chaos and suffering.

Myth #10 )Illegal aliens are just coming here to work and want to go home afterwards.
Truth) A lie that conceals a serious problem.

It is common knowledge that the reason for entering the USA illegally is not just to work, but also to give birth, so that newborns will be granted immediate US citizenship. These newborns are termed anchor babies because they allow the parents to stay and provide an excuse for the family to bring the extended family into the USA.

In Ireland, they recognized that immigrants use this to scam the country. As a result, Ireland changed its laws and no longer gives citizenship to the children of illegals. The USA has yet to wake up to its being scammed in this way.

Myth #11) The English and Irish came here illegally so send them home to Europe.
Truth) First, the Irish came here legally as migrants. The English came here when there were only tribes and no nation of laws. Back then, "immigration" by any group was cause for tribal war. While the English & American did seize land, to be fair native groups weren't known for their humanitarian record either.

Usually, a racist claim like saying that Anglos are here illegally is presented by those who desire ethnic cleansing of non-hispanics, like the Voz de Aztlan hate group and other lunatics.

For to blame the European immigrants who came here beginning 500 years ago -- in fact, the Vikings arrived 1000 years ago -- or to blame their descendants is a mindless racist call to arms.
Such racist talk about sending Europeans packing, taken to its logical conclusion, would also require that because humans originated in Africa, all humans should be forced to return to there.

Myth #12) You are cruel! You would deport parents and separate them from their American-born children!
Truth)Children often suffer due to the law-breaking actions of their parents and that is an additional good reason for parents to not break our very reasonable immigration laws.

The healthcare debate is dominating the summer political agenda.   Except of course when it is interrupted by the frenzy about Michael Jackson’s death or the Gates-Cambridge Police imbroglio.  Immigration has been pushed off the front burner.  The Obama administration is making symbolic moves that make people feel better about the plight of immigrants but the real trend continues to be extremely negative and it seems that the political forces are aligning to “solve” the current immigration crisis without addressing the underlying causes.

Geraldo Rivera has two great ideas in his new book “The Great Progression” and he writes them in a way that can help to facilitate a larger nation discussion. The book is due out in September 2009 and I recommend it.

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According to Nobel prize winning economist Amartya Sen: "No democracy with a free press has ever suffered a famine, whereas tyrannies and colonial regimes have."  This is a remarkable observation.  It means that there is a solution for one of the three great scourges of humanity.  The other two scourges being war and pestilence.  If Sen is right and we can decrease famine by moving toward democracy we need to be asking: "how can we increase the number of people living in democracies?"And then working to make it happen.

This link will take you to a show on the BBC Radio with Philippe Legrain about immigration. 

Philippe Legrain on BBC Radio

Legrain does an excellent job of making the ethical arguments for open immigration.  The politician and the English minuteman disagreed of course.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00mgwhy

Philippe Legrains Blog

http://www.philippelegrain.com/